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11. Obligațiunile verzi europene (dezbatere)
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Presidente. – L’ordine del giorno reca la relazione di Paul Tang, a nome della commissione per i problemi economici e monetari, sulla proposta di regolamento del Parlamento europeo e del Consiglio sulle obbligazioni verdi europee ( - C9-0311/2021 - (A9-0156/2022).

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Paul Tang, rapporteur. – Madam President, Commissioner, good that you’re here. The green bonds are a European success story. Out of USD500billion of green bonds issued last year, 50% came from Europe – or actually, I should talk about EUR500billion, because in a world dominated by the dollar, sustainable finance is a euro stronghold.

And it should stay this way, to ensure that sustainable finance – the finance of the future – stays here. But for that, investor worries on green bonds should be addressed. Is the money really spent on green projects? Will the promises be kept? Do green ones truly finance a company’s transition, or are they a smokescreen to conceal business as usual?

That is where the European green bonds regulation comes in. It brings three ‘T’s: transparency, trust and transition to the green bond market. And let me talk about each of them in turn.

Transparency is brought by creating a new gold standard for green bonds: the European green bond – fully transparent on taxonomy and on spending of revenue. The regulation also brings transparency to the market as a whole by providing templates that bonds should use when they are serious about being green, even when they cannot fulfil the hard requirements of the gold standard taxonomy yet.

Hard requirements are needed, though, to create trust in the market – the second ‘T’. European green bonds should be spent on taxonomy-aligned projects. There are some exemptions for development aid where it’s difficult to prove taxonomy alignment or for activities for which criteria do not exist yet. But by and large, investors can trust that their money is spent well and that trust will be strengthened by external reviewers, independent parties, regulated by ESMA and subject to strict conflict of interest rules, who evaluate and check each and every bond. I think all green bond issuers around the world would benefit from using their services.

And lastly, and importantly, the regulation puts transition plans centre stage because doing a green thing doesn’t make you green. Shell can raise money from a wind farm, but without a clear plan on how it will exit oil, showing off this green project is greenwashing – pure and simple as that. That is why the Ϸվ has obliged all issuers of European green bonds to show how bonds aid their transition. And I would like to thank my shadow rapporteurs, ChristopheHansen, GillesBoyer, BasEickhout – who can’t be here today – and, of course, their assistants for all their excellent work and cooperation, and as well as the Swedish Presidency and the Commission for their excellent work and cooperation.

With transparency, trust and transition plans, we have strengthened Europe’s green bond markets and protected Europe’s leadership in sustainable finance. Then one last remark, because to stay world leading, we have to keep moving. We cannot sit back and relax, expecting the required green investments will fall from the sky. This is why the recent change in language from the Commission sometimes worries me because transparency on ESG is not an administrative burden. It’s a fundament on which our sustainable economy is built. And if the Commission can no longer explain this, can no longer talk about the ‘why’ of sustainable finance, but only about the cost of data collection, there is a problem and the transition comes at risk.

And MsMcGuinness, I am looking forward, as I always have, to working with you to ensure that the Commission does all it can until the election to continue explaining the ‘why’ and to maintain the EU’s leading role in promoting sustainable financial markets.

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Mairead McGuinness, Member of the Commission. – Madam President, well done to our rapporteur, Paul Tang. Before I begin my speech, Paul is tenacious and able and absolutely committed to the sustainability agenda and I salute that. I was also a tough MEP, so it’s important to have you and thank you for all of the efforts you make and the push you give.

Dear colleagues, to those who’ve been involved in this file, a huge thank you to you as a team of negotiators. You have done good work. I think we’re all in a good mood here because we have reason to celebrate. You know, Paul, I very much liked your speech of transparency, trust and transition. They’re three important Ts. And for me, we are now taking a very big step to making the European green bond standard a reality. We talked about it for a long time. It is now becoming a reality.

We’re also a step closer to companies issuing their own European green bonds, to companies meeting our ambitious criteria in the standard to raise money for the green transition. And we are a step closer to a complete EU sustainable finance framework.

I do say, and I hope you will agree, that the final text strikes the right balance between ambition and pragmatism. Thanks to this balance, we have a real chance to make this standard the gold standard for green bonds. Our European green bond standard is based on the EU taxonomy and the detailed criteria it sets out for sustainable activities so both issuers and investors can be assured of the credentials of any bonds issued using the standard. And there are high levels of transparency. The standard will help issuers raise capital for green investments. It will make it easier for investors to pick sustainable investment opportunities. Crucially, it will fight and help us to continue fighting greenwashing.

External reviewers of the European green bond standard will be subject to European supervision, and this is a first for green bonds. ESMA will be in charge of supervising reviewers that want to offer their services to the issuers of European green bonds. This will help ensure these reviewers have the right procedures and structures in place and it will give them the credibility they need to build up their businesses.

Something that’s really positive is the attention paid to making sure that this is a process accessible also to smaller reviewers. I think this is one crucial part of our work because a vibrant market needs issuers and reviewers that are both big and small to be able to participate. We hope the European green bond standard will spur issuers to be ambitious when seeking funding for green projects.

Now, all that said, we still have work to do. The European green bond standard is voluntary. That means it will have to prove itself in a crowded marketplace. Issuers and investors alike need to see it as an attractive option. The Commission and ESMA have to put in place technical measures to make sure that the standard functions effectively in practice.

The Commission will also prepare user-friendly disclosure templates. These templates can be used by all issuers of green bonds, whether they use the European green bond standard or not, as well as sustainability linked bonds. They will help connect issuers of green bonds, making at least some use of the EU taxonomy, with investors who want clear and standardised access to information about those green bonds.

The Commission will also keep supporting the Ϸվ and the Council to reach agreement on the Listing Act. The Commission confirms its intention to treat any potential mandates to develop standardised annexes for the disclosure of environmental, social and governance-related information in the EU prospectus with swiftness, taking into account the experience with the voluntary guidelines prepared for green bonds in the European Green Bond Regulation. This statement in relation to ESG has been transmitted to Ϸվ.

Finally, I really want to give you my thanks again. You know that we have reached this milestone together. Next, we want this European green bond standard to be widely used, because that will be a measure of success. I know that I can count on you for your support to encourage market players to make this happen, and I look forward to our debate.

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José Manuel Fernandes, relator de parecer da Comissão dos Orçamentos. – Senhora Presidente, Cara Comissária, Caras e Caros Colegas, o objetivo do combate às alterações climáticas é transversal, implica o envolvimento de todos, e o caminho implica também rigor e, ao mesmo tempo, gradualismo e ambição.

A União Europeia está a fazer a sua parte em termos financeiros. O quadro financeiro plurianual dedica 30% do seu montante para o objetivo «combate às alterações climáticas». No mecanismo de recuperação e resiliência, o montante é de 37% para esse objetivo.

Mas ninguém nem nada pode ficar de fora, e os mercados financeiros são, também eles, essenciais para que os investimentos privados, os investimentos das empresas, também eles, respeitem e conduzam ao objetivo da transição climática.

E, por isso, saúdo este relatório, esta aprovação, já que a supervisão será ela também importante e o combate ao green washing é essencial.

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Ville Niinistö, rapporteur for the opinion of the Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Food Safety. – Madam President, the European green bond standard regulation aspires to set the gold standard for European green bonds and aligning them rigorously with the taxonomy technical screening criteria and subjecting them to external review. On behalf of the ENVI opinion rapporteur, Bas Eickhout, I was asked to deliver a few comments on the outcome.

The outcome introduces a voluntary standard, permitting other bonds to bear the green label without true compliance. This is still a problem. We need transparency and comparability. We advocated for stringent regulations encompassing the entire green bond market, not just the European green bond label. Ϸվ advocated in its position for binding transparency requirements for the rest of the bonds that are labelled as green. We need to further continue work on this to avoid greenwashing and to allow investors to compare green bonds.

Regrettably, the Council’s position took a different turn, allowing flexibility pockets of up to 15% and opposing comprehensive regulation. Despite this, progress was made, and increased transparency for gas and nuclear activities is included. Progress should be seen in the light of the entirety of the outcome and further progress is needed in the future.

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Christophe Hansen, im Namen der PPE-Fraktion. – Frau Präsidentin, sehr geehrte Frau Kommissarin! Europäische grüne Anleihen sind nicht nur ein Finanzinstrument; sie schließen die Lücke zwischen den Kapitalmärkten und der dringenden Notwendigkeit von Klima- und Umweltschutzmaßnahmen. Diese Anleihen erleichtern den Übergang zu einer nachhaltigen und sauberen Wirtschaft, finanzieren den europäischen Grünen Deal und bieten Anlegern gleichzeitig die Sicherheit, dass ihre Portfolios auch wirklich nachhaltig sind.

Vertrauen− Paul Tang hat es gesagt− in ein Produkt ist der wichtigste Garant dafür, dass Investoren auch tatsächlich investieren. Die geltende Taxonomie ist deswegen von zentraler Bedeutung, auch wenn sich an einigen Nachhaltigkeitskriterien die Geister immer noch scheiden. Blinde Ideologie, die einige Kollegen auf den Tisch brachten, hätte dieses Instrument dem vorzeitigen Tode geweiht. So wollten sie zum Beispiel Investitionen in Unternehmen, die noch nicht zu 100% auf Klimaneutralitätskurs sind, ausschließen, auch wenn es sich dabei zum Beispiel um einen Windpark gehandelt hätte.

Wir können nicht für eine erfolgreichen, nachhaltigen Wandel sorgen, indem wir dem Markt ein überkomplexes Instrument aufdrängen. Der EU-Standard für grüne Anleihen wäre ein Papiertiger geblieben. Wir hätten unsere Vorreiterrolle im Bereich nachhaltige Finanzen– die luxemburgische Börse gehört dazu und ist weltweiter Marktführer in diesem Bereich– fahrlässig aufs Spiel gesetzt. Glücklicherweise hat sich am Ende die Vernunft durchgesetzt, und wir haben ein Resultat erzielt, welches dem Markt weiterhin die nötigen Freiheiten und Flexibilitäten überlässt.

Europäische grüne Anleihen haben das Potenzial, mehr als nur ein Finanzinstrument zu sein. Sie können der Anstoß für eine globale, nachhaltige und widerstandsfähige Zukunft werden. Ich bedanke mich noch einmal ausdrücklich beim Berichterstatter Paul Tang und natürlich auch bei der Kommissarin für die sehr gute Zusammenarbeit. Ich denke, dieses Instrument wird zum Erfolg werden und global auch eingesetzt werden.

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Jonás Fernández, en nombre del Grupo S&D. – Señora presidenta, señora comisaria, sin duda debo empezar este debate agradeciendo y felicitando el trabajo del señor Tang, ponente del Informe sobre la propuesta de Reglamento sobre los bonos verdes europeos, durante los últimos meses. Un trabajo imprescindible, junto al resto de ponentes alternativos, para poner en pie, también en este caso, la primera regulación global que va a ayudar a conducir ahorros e inversión hacia activos verdes.

Esta innovación regulatoria de Europa, que se une a otras muchas en el marco de la transición ecológica, clarifica, da transparencia y facilitará que los inversores responsables puedan distribuir sus recursos, lo que contribuirá también a la propia transición.

Me gustaría también recordar que este acuerdo es un punto de partida. No podemos pensar que todo está hecho; hay en este acuerdo con el Consejo algunos elementos pendientes de revisar en el futuro. Necesitamos clarificar un poquito más la calidad de los activos subyacentes de estos créditos, de estos bonos verdes. Así que el trabajo continúa, y le doy mi enhorabuena al señor Tang.

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Gilles Boyer, au nom du groupe Renew. – Madame la Présidente, Madame la Commissaire, nous avons placé ce mandat sous le signe du pacte vert et de la transition écologique, et cette transition nous devons la financer. Et avec ce nouvel instrument, les obligations vertes européennes, nous créons un outil supplémentaire au service de ce financement. Un standard ambitieux avec des critères stricts, qui permet à celui qui les respecte de se proclamer objectivement vert ou soutenable dans le respect de notre taxonomie européenne.

C'est un outil qui sera gagnant pour l'émetteur de dette et gagnant pour l'investisseur. L'institution ou l'entreprise qui émettra de la dette pour investir pourra choisir ce nouveau standard, sa dette sera plus attractive et les conditions de mise sur le marché seront meilleures parce que la demande en produits verts est en augmentation constante. De son côté, l'investisseur aura l'assurance que ces fonds seront mis à profit pour financer des équipements ou des projets compatibles avec le pacte vert et la taxonomie européenne.

Attractivité pour les émetteurs, transparence pour les investisseurs, c'est l'équilibre que nous avons défendu. Nous avons défendu un standard ambitieux, volontaire, qui pourra faire école au niveau mondial et être utilisé, y compris par des émetteurs d'obligations extra-européens. Et nous voulons ainsi limiter au maximum le greenwashing qui repeint trop souvent en vert des projets qui ne le sont pas. Et nous voulons apporter une pierre décisive au financement des investissements verts.

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Mikuláš Peksa, on behalf of the Verts/ALE Group. – Madam President, dear colleagues, the reality of our current climate challenge and the other environmental challenges poses a major threat to how we as humankind operate, live our lives and realise our potential. That is the simple reality that we should take in every single time we vote on all related topics in the European Ϸվ. This is the major challenge of our lifetimes, and this challenge simply can’t be tackled only by public funds, and it can’t be ever solved without the deep investment and participation of the private sector.

Even more importantly, we can’t realistically think that we are going to save the climate if at the same time private funds would be flowing into projects that are great for the bottom line of the investors in the short term but disastrous to everybody else in the long run.

So yes, the final version of green bonds leaves a lot to be desired. Transparency is lacking and should be strengthened. The flexibility pockets should be much smaller, if they need to exist at all. But it’s a major step forward, because the European green bonds have potential to be a critical enabler for the green and digital transition.

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Michiel Hoogeveen, namens de ECR-Fractie. – Voorzitter, stelt u zich voor: wij halen iemand van 200jaar geleden naar onze tijd. Wat zou deze persoon dan vinden? Dat wij zijn of haar prachtige natuurlijke wereld hebben vernietigd? Of zou deze persoon zich verbazen over onze moderne samenleving met verwarming, koeling, schoon water, schone lucht, voedsel en elektriciteit voor iedereen?

200jaar na de industriële revolutie zien wij dat het klimaat verandert. De concentratie van CO2 in de atmosfeer is gestegen en dit accelereert de opwarming. Geloof me, ik wou net zo graag als jullie dat de aarde een thermostaatknopje had en dat alternatieve brandstoffen ons zouden leiden naar een liefelijk leven in een groen Utopia.

Voorzitter, wij zeggen niet dat je niets moet doen aan klimaatbeleid. Tegelijkertijd moet het wel realistisch blijven. Dogmatisch streven naar arbitraire doelen zoals klimaatneutraliteit in 2050 is contraproductief. Het geloof in de maakbaarheid van de economie, de samenleving en het klimaat is te groot. Dat zien we terug in dit verslag, waarin wordt gezegd dat de uitgifte van gemeenschappelijke groene obligaties zal bijdragen aan een klimaatneutrale, duurzame, energie-efficiënte, zuinige, circulaire en eerlijke economie. Los van de vraag welke projecten als “groen” moeten worden geclassificeerd en wie daartoe mag beslissen, is het maar de vraag of ze rendabel zijn en rendabel blijven.

Het is niet nodig om apart groene obligaties uit te geven. We moeten juist af van dit soort centralistisch denken. Het zal leiden tot bureaucratie en regelzucht en houdt echte innovatie en vooruitgang tegen.

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France Jamet, au nom du groupe ID. – Madame la Présidente, mes chers collègues, informer les investisseurs qui souhaitent placer leur épargne dans des activités durables est tout à fait louable. Cependant, la mise en place de ce label vert de plus, fût-il public, fût-il gratuit, ne permettra en rien d’identifier la vertu de ces produits.

En effet, il reposera sur une perception partielle et partiale du caractère durable ou environnemental que vous avez vous-mêmes défini et malheureusement adossé à la taxonomie européenne. Taxonomie intrinsèquement défectueuse, conçue à coups de lubies idéologiques et de compromissions boutiquières, dont le scandale du traitement infligé à notre énergie nucléaire est un parfait exemple. Vous avez préféré miser sur l’éolien, sur terre et sur mer, qui nous coûte très cher et produit si peu et si mal. Aujourd’hui, les Français en paient le prix fort.

L’écologie ne doit pas se faire sur des labels frelatés, des visions dépassées ou mensongères, mais sur une politique cohérente fondée sur le localisme. Localisme que l’on peut tout à fait appliquer à la finance et au libre-échange. Localisme qui promeut de fait des investissements durables puisque locaux. Localisme, enfin, qui mise sur des hommes et des femmes enracinés sur leur territoire, sur la nation organisée en État souverain, cadre fondamental de protection nécessaire à la défense de la liberté et de la sécurité des personnes, des familles et des peuples. L’empire des normes ne se fera pas contre la réalité des nations.

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José Gusmão, em nome do Grupo The Left. – Senhor Presidente, o primeiro problema com este regulamento das obrigações verdes europeias é que ele se faz por referência à taxonomia, o que significa que vamos ter obrigações verdes a financiar o gás natural e a energia nuclear.

O segundo problema é que a aplicação deste regulamento é voluntária, o que quer dizer que vamos continuar a ter obrigações verdes que não obedecem ao que é estabelecido neste regulamento para as obrigações verdes, o que é uma curiosa forma de regulamentação.

E o terceiro problema é que a certificação irá ser feita por agentes privados, à semelhança do que acontece com as agências de rating, com os resultados que se conhecem. A presidente do BCE defendeu esta proposta.

Mais valia que o BCE e, já agora, a União Europeia estimulassem o investimento público, que é a única via para conduzir a transição energética: políticas públicas, responsabilidade pública, e não a financeirização do ambiente, que nos falhou até agora e vai continuar a falhar.

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Hervé Juvin (NI). – Monsieur le Président, Madame la Commissaire, chers collègues, ne nous y trompons pas. Qu’est-ce qui distingue une obligation verte d’un contrat obligataire ordinaire? Rien. L’exigence de liquidité est la même. Le calcul du rapport risque-rendement est le même et l’exigence de rendement de l’investisseur est le même. Ce qui signifie que les obligations vertes sont l’occasion pour la finance de marché de faire main basse sur la question environnementale.

Il faut le dire clairement, la finance de marché n’est pas la solution au financement des sujets environnementaux, c’est le problème. Les exigences de rendement de la finance de marché sont incompatibles avec la transition écologique, avec le financement de grands projets écologiques.

Très clairement, la réponse est d’une autre nature que l’émission d’obligations sur le marché international. C’est celle des financements locaux où le rendement est d’abord social et communautaire. C’est la promotion des biens communs inappropriables et qui ne doivent pas faire l’objet d’appropriation financière. C’est enfin la refonte d’un domaine financier qui est aujourd’hui le principal responsable de la crise écologique et qui, en aucun cas, ne peut apporter de solutions au financement de la crise écologique.

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Ralf Seekatz (PPE). – Herr Präsident, verehrte Kolleginnen und Kollegen! Wir haben einen sehr hohen Investitionsbedarf, um die Klimaziele des Übereinkommens von Paris und des europäischen Grünen Deals zu erfüllen. Um den Übergang zu einer nachhaltigeren Wirtschaft zu finanzieren, brauchen wir jedoch privates Kapital. Allein mit staatlichen Investitionen können wir diesen enormen Investitionsbedarf nicht stemmen. Dafür ist es wichtig, genügend Investoren an den Kapitalmarkt zu bringen und einen einheitlichen Standard für grüne Anleihen zu haben. Das momentane Durcheinander von Standards stellt ein Hindernis für einen rasant wachsenden Markt dar. Um einen internationalen Goldstandard für nachhaltige Finanzierung zu schaffen, brauchen wir aber einen pragmatischen Rahmen.

Ich bin erleichtert, dass es in langen Verhandlungen gelungen ist, dass der Pragmatismus am Ende gesiegt hat. Nur mit diesem Ansatz und ohne unnötige bürokratische Hürden können wir dafür sorgen, dass die Regeln vom Markt auch angenommen werden. Dabei ist es wichtig, dass Regeln für nachhaltige Anleihen für Unternehmen leicht zu verwenden und für die Investoren auch leicht zu verstehen sind. Der Rahmen muss Orientierung geben und Transparenz in einem unübersichtlichen Markt schaffen und Greenwashing reduzieren. Dabei ist es auch der richtige Ansatz, stärker auf Freiwilligkeit zu setzen und so übermäßigen bürokratischen Aufwand zu verhindern.

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Niels Fuglsang (S&D). – Hr. formand! Kære kolleger! Kære kommissær! Vi ved alle sammen, at det er forkert at lyve. De fleste af os lærer det som helt små, men ikke alle løgne er ligeså slemme som andre. Nogle løgne er harmløse, såsom: Du får firkantede øjne af at se for meget fjernsyn. Andre løgne kan være livsfarlige. Andre løgne kan være med til at smadre vores planet lige foran os, som når virksomheder vil have os til at tro, at de er grønne eller bæredygtige, selv om de ikke er det, fordi det får os til at købe deres produkter, investere i deres aktier, æde deres løgne. Jeg taler her om "green washing", som desværre er alt for udbredt i vores samfund. Med disse nye regler for et fælles grønt obligationsmærke, der gør vi op med green washing. Vi laver nogle fælles regler for, at hvis du som virksomhed bruger dette grønne obligationsmærke i EU, så kan man være sikker på, at der rent faktisk er noget om snakken. Det er vigtigt. Det er godt. Det skal vi støtte, fordi nogle løgne er så farlige, at vi ikke skal se igennem fingre med dem.

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Martin Hlaváček (Renew). – Pane předsedající, paní komisařko, nechtěla byste si vzít na starosti i jiné části Green Deal? Bylo by to jistě ve prospěch spolupráce Komise s Evropským parlamentem. Možná je to i proto, že jsme zde s Vámi v minulosti tak rádi spolupracovali. Já to nedělám často, ale chci Vám poděkovat, že zvítězil rozum i logika. Opravdu oceňuji, že vydávání „zelených dluhopisů“ má být na dobrovolné bázi a že ponecháváme emitentům možnost vybrat si i jiné tržní standardy.

Mám pouze jedinou výhradu, která zde objektivně je a kterou bychom ještě měli zkusit napravit. Přímé napojení na taxonomii vytváří určitou formu diskriminace ve dvou ohledech. Za prvé nemáme všechny činnosti zatím pokryty taxonomií, takže někomu tu možnost dáváme a někomu ji nedáváme. A pokud nám jde o klima, je to o emisích. Nízkoemisní a bezemisní technologie jsou tímto přístupem také do jisté míry omezovány a já myslím, že to je škoda, protože trh je technologicky neutrální a měl by mít možnost ocenit skutečně dosažené výsledky, nikoliv politické názory na jednotlivé technologie.

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Johan Nissinen (ECR). – Herr talman! Det demokratiska monstret EU fortsätter att växa allt snabbare. Nu ger man sig även på de fria finansmarknaderna. Som vanligt tror sig EU vara en expert på investeringar och vad som är grönt, socialt och vad som är önskvärt för samhället. Etiketter som gröna fonder och hållbara investeringar innebär bara en politisering av vår ekonomi.

Vad investerarna egentligen behöver är en fri och neutral information utan statliga pekpinnar. Att avgöra vad som är grönt projekt kan vara subjektivt och kan variera beroende på individuella tolkningar. Särskilt inom EU med alla politiska kompromisser, vilket riskerar att leda till att kapital spenderas felaktigt.

EU bör helt enkelt inte fastställa några godtyckliga standarder alls, utan låta marknaden vara fri och fatta innovativa beslut som leder till långsiktig tillväxt.

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Marcel de Graaff (NI). – Voorzitter, dit voorstel voor Europese groene obligaties moet de prullenbak in. Ten eerste omdat de naam de koper misleidt. Het lijkt namelijk alsof het gaat om door de EU gesteunde, gedekte of uitgegeven obligaties. De EU mag helemaal geen obligaties uitgeven. En ten tweede omdat het hier gaat om een keurmerk waarbij milieueisen gelden voor de te financieren activiteiten, die dan ook nog eens gecentraliseerd door de EU moeten worden gecontroleerd. Deze eisen houden verband met fossiele brandstoffen en de uitstoot van CO2 en stikstof. Ten onrechte meent dit voorstel dat hier een klimaateffect van uit zou gaan. In een onlangs gepubliceerd collegiaal getoetst onderzoek van RealClimate.org wordt onomstotelijk vastgesteld dat aan de globale temperatuurschommelingen zonneactiviteit ten grondslag ligt. Alle kritiek op dit onderzoek is volledig weerlegd. Dat betekent dat elke grond onder dit activistische klimaatbeleid en dus onder dit keurmerk wegvalt. Stop hiermee.

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Sirpa Pietikäinen (PPE). – Arvoisa puhemies, ensinnä haluan kiittää komissiota siitä, että tämä ehdotus vihreistä joukkolainoista on tehty ja on myös erityisen tärkeää, että se on yhteensopiva taksonomian kanssa ja kehittynee sitten myös standardiltaan taksonomian myötä jatkossa samaan suuntaan.

Toivomustasosta tietysti pitää sanoa, että meidän kaikkien julkisten velkakirjojen ja yksityisten velkakirjojen pitäisi olla vihreitä, eikä niin, että vihreys on erityisarvo, josta sitten palkitaan. Tähän lienee vielä poliittisesti jonkin verran matkaa, mutta uskon, että se sekä esittelijällä kuin meillä täällä parlamentissa on keskeisenä tavoitteena. Ja sinne mennessä aivan samalla tavalla, kun käsittelemme ilmasto- ja ympäristöriskiä osana myöskin yksityisten investointien riskiä, meidän on myös julkisen rahoituksen vääristäviä fossiilisia tukirahasuuntauksia käsiteltävä riskiperusteisesti ja vähennettävä tätä rahoitusta ja pidemmällä aikajänteellä lopetettava se.

Mutta sitä odotellessa, toivotan parasta menestystä vihreille joukkolainoille. Toivon, että jo seuraavalla vaalikaudella niiden kunnianhimotasoa voidaan nostaa ja myöskin sitä systeemiajattelua, jolla otetaan kaikki ympäristöön vaikuttavat tekijät nykyistä laajemmin huomioon, varsinkin biodiversiteetti.

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Eugen Jurzyca (ECR). – Pán predsedajúci, súhlasím s vyššou transparentnosťou a kontrolou pri finančných nástrojoch, ktoré budeme označovať za „zelené“.

Chyba návrhu je však vjeho byrokratickým prístupe, pri ktorom politici a úradníci rozhodujú o tom, čo je zelené, často v rozpore s vedeckým poznaním.

Takto napríklad hrozilo, že výroba energie z jadra nebude zaradená do taxonómie, a teda nebude považovaná za ekologickú.

Lepšou alternatívou by bolo, keby spoločnosti zverejňovali tvrdé ukazovatele, najmä celkovú uhlíkovú stopu spoločnosti. Takýto systém by bol jednoduchší na riadenie a investorom by sa ľahšie posudzovalo, ktoré spoločnosti sú veľkými producentmi skleníkových plynov a ktoré robia najviac pre ich zníženie.

Tieto informácie sú dôležité. Nie farba bondov.

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Fabio Massimo Castaldo (NI). – Signor Presidente, onorevoli colleghi, signora Commissaria, come abbiamo fatto con il GDPR e come stiamo facendo con l'AI Act, è imperativo creare standard globali anche nei mercati di capitali e il voto di domani va esattamente in questa direzione.

Questo regolamento è un pezzo in più del puzzle per migliorare la credibilità e, soprattutto, l'allocazione del denaro. Così facendo rispondiamo alle esigenze di quegli investitori e di quelle imprese che vogliono realmente contribuire alla più grande transizione della nostra storia.

Voglio ringraziare il relatore e amico Paul Tang per l'ottimo lavoro, anche perché ha tracciato la via attraverso la quale si comprende bene che la crescita di questo mercato sarà esponenziale. Rafforzandolo, infatti, come mercato della finanza verde, si ridurrà anche il premio di rischio e il costo di finanziamento.

Ma ciò non basta. Se vogliamo veramente raggiungere gli obiettivi verdi, che ricordo essere legalmente vincolanti e non gratuiti, dobbiamo dotarci al tempo stesso di un bilancio comune UE che sia permanentemente finanziato da obbligazioni comuni su cui i capitali verdi raccolti privatamente possono fare leva. Penso, ad esempio, all'instaurazione di virtuose partnership, anche pubblico-private. Ma questo va fatto ora, non possiamo attendere e inseguire all'infinito gli effetti irreversibili di una crisi annunciata. Sarebbe assolutamente imperdonabile.

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Alfred Sant (S&D). – Mr President, I come from a region where infrastructures, businesses and private property are already subject to the financial risks and damages being caused by climate change. We need sustained public and private investments able to contain these risks and reverse the damages. They must do so profitably. Soon they will become the best financial offer available to investors against the background of climate change.

Already, the market of retail and institutional investors that gives preference to green offerings is becoming substantial and will grow. It is a matter of urgency to create transparent and trustworthy conditions within which the market that is developing can progress fully.

This regulation is one step in the right direction that needs to cover the whole range of investment and financial dealings. Naturally, there are and will be areas of application whose scope will be ambiguous at first. They need to be cleared, and will have to be cleared, through reasonable compromise. But the priority of placing environmental – indeed, ESG – considerations at the heart of financial markets, as this regulation is doing with a gold standard for green bonds, must be confirmed.

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Dorien Rookmaker (ECR). – Voorzitter, commissaris, mijnheer Tang, mag ik u feliciteren? Dit is een goed voorstel.

Groene obligaties zijn er altijd geweest. Althans, zolang ik heb gewerkt in de financiële sector. Het is heel goed dat we nu een keurmerk hebben, zodat iedereen weet wat hij koopt en zodat ook bedrijven en partijen die geld uit de markt willen halen, weten waar ze aan toe zijn. Als de vlag de lading dekt, zorgt het ervoor dat er minder rompslomp is, minder overleg en minder controles. Dat zal ook de kosten naar beneden brengen.

Of je wel of niet in groene obligaties wilt investeren, dat is altijd nog een vrije beslissing voor elke investeerder. Of je wel of niet onder de vlag van een groene investering geld uit de markt wilt halen, dat is ook een vrije beslissing. Dus ik kan deze regeling alleen maar toejuichen en ik ben daar zelf ook zeer ingenomen mee. Want dan denk ik: ja, hier is de Europese Unie nu voor bedoeld en dit helpt.

Catch-the-eye procedure

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Billy Kelleher (Renew). – Mr President, I’d like to congratulate everybody involved in this file and particularly the chief rapporteur, Paul Tang. I would just say at the outset, we need to have integrity in our green bond system, and I think the European Union should become the global capital of sustainable finance.

Of course, this particular taxonomy got off to a very fractious start, when there was great debate about nuclear and gas and whether or not they should be included or not. Eventually it has settled, and we now have a situation where I believe that, as time evolves and as confidence grows in European green bonds, we will see the capital markets functioning properly, where companies and public authorities will be able to use finance in large-scale investments to ensure that there is sustainability in climate change obligations.

I would also like the Commissioner to propose that, as time goes on, we will become flexible in the area of issuance of green bonds and that agriculture and forestry and fisheries and other areas will be included at some stage into the future to ensure that those particular entities can transition as well, because they will play a very meaningful role in sustainability and environmental standards in the years ahead.

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Mick Wallace (The Left). – Mr President, the purpose of the green bonds should be to speed up decarbonisation. Only companies that have detailed credible emissions reduction targets and plans and environmental strategies covering all their activities should benefit from the EU green bond label. The amendments we passed in the Environment Committee significantly improved the Commission’s proposal. These changes required that all bond issuers have climate transition plans and specifically excluded the use of offsets in these plans.

But these amendments were watered down in the plenary vote and the trilogue negotiations. The risk now is that the regulation will enable polluting companies to continue to pollute, as long as the proceeds from the bond sale are used for activities covered by the taxonomy regulation.

Europe’s banks have helped fossil fuel companies raise more than EUR1trillion from global bond markets since the Paris Agreement in 2016. The Green Bond Regulation will help tackle greenwashing by banks. It’s definitely a start, but banks need to stop supporting fossil fuel companies.

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João Pimenta Lopes (The Left). – Senhor Presidente, Senhora Comissária, a financeirização do ambiente tem tido várias pressões: a aposta em perversos mecanismos de mercado, nomeadamente o comércio de licenças de emissões, uma dita fiscalidade verde que transfere o ónus da degradação ambiental do modo de produção capitalista para os trabalhadores, a transformação de bancos de desenvolvimento em bancos verdes, a propaganda em torno de produtos financeiros para a aplicação de poupanças.

As ditas obrigações verdes, sem trazerem particular inovação, não deixam de se inserir nesta linha. Senhora Comissária, ao contrário do que diz, não são as pessoas que têm razões para celebrar. Já o capital financeiro, certamente.

Porque a política ambiental da União Europeia assenta, e muito, na criação de mecanismos especulativos, desenhados na lógica da sacrossanta autorregulação dos mercados ao serviço dos lucros dos grandes grupos económicos, aqueles que têm maiores responsabilidades na degradação ambiental e cujo resultado tem tido efeitos nefastos do ponto de vista económico e social.

A defesa da natureza e do ambiente exige outras políticas, da defesa da produção local à promoção do transporte público, da abordagem normativa à redução de emissões e à promoção de alternativas energéticas de domínio público, a defesa da paz e cooperação entre os povos.

(End of catch-the-eye procedure)

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Mairead McGuinness, Member of the Commission. – Mr President, thank you, colleagues, for all of these really important contributions. The first thing I would say is that this is not a theoretical debate. This is about the real world of channelling money, investments to the green transition. I am pleased that there is a big interest in this topic. Most people see the value of the work we have done together. Some would have liked more, some would have liked none. So I think we are in a very good place.

I would also remind ourselves when we are having a nice debate that we have done an awful lot together – this Ϸվ, the Council and the Commission – in the area of sustainable finance initiatives and we should value what we have done. For me, the real moment of success is that we make sure all of these fit together and work well together. And I think we have work to do in that area. So it’s really important that we keep discussing sustainable finance and how EU initiatives can best contribute.

I want to address some of the issues raised in the debate. So, firstly, raised by some colleagues in relation to the funding of nuclear projects, we have had our discussion on this. Nuclear is included in the Taxonomy Complementary Delegated Act so these nuclear projects can be funded using the green bond standard. But it is very, very important to stress that this will be clearly indicated in disclosure documents. So, should people want to invest in nuclear, it will be clear, and should investors not want to, that is also very clear. It goes to the point of the rapporteur, who’s behind me now. I thought you’d left the Chamber, but never. You always stay for all debates, Mr Tang. But just to say: your word on transparency is absolutely key.

Another point raised – I think the Member has left the Chamber, but there is a colleague who has remained – in the area of the taxonomy. The taxonomy does not cover, yet, all activities. This is absolutely true. But I think you have heard me say on many occasions that the taxonomy is a work in progress. It will be expanded to include many more activities. I know colleagues mentioned agriculture, forestry, fishery. I know that these are topics we will have to deal with in the future.

In relation to a comment made by the Member to my left around polluting companies continuing to pollute. No, no, no. The idea of us having standards and using this label is that not only will we have more sustainable economic activities, but those that are not sustainable today can use this if they have literally clear transition plans, and this shows their intent towards sustainability. And remember things are audited now and will be in the future.

On the question of speculation and markets raised by another colleague and about socially damaging: our work on sustainable finance is just beginning. Because in a very short period of months, we will have companies being judged not just on return on investment and profit. Profit is important, but we will equally be judging companies on their addressing sustainability issues. So investors can see very clearly those companies that are working towards this green and more digital future than we have today. That is a remarkable development and I hope we understand fully that we are all part of something that is unique that Europe is leading on. And we can – and I’m sure Paul Tang will encourage me – do much, much more.

So, our green bond standard is not here to replace existing standards. Indeed, it’s our intention that this standard will compete with those that are already in the marketplace and win over issuers and investors. Again, my sincere thanks to this House for putting the European green bond standard into the very best starting position and also for your continued commitment to this agenda, which is key in terms of achieving the green and digital transition.

And, as Paul will rightly have the last word, our rapporteur, can I just say thank you for your opening remarks focusing on trust, transparency and –what was the third one? – transition. How could I forget? Thank you for reminding me. It’s always good to have somebody behind you.

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Paul Tang, rapporteur. – MrPresident, thank you, Commissioner, let me start by saying that financial markets are driven by data. Data are crucial for financial investments, so we have a whole industry of auditors, controllers, accountants, checks, double checks – and we need that, if it’s not only about financial return, if we want to take care of people and planets, we need data also on ESG.

Otherwise, we cannot change the investment decision. Otherwise, we cannot put people and planets also at the heart of the investment decision and give an equal place to profit. So sustainable finances need data, and that is why the implementation of the CSRD is so important – it provides the data for the investors to work with. So we need a good implementation.

And of course, this debate shows, this is a work in progress. I’ve said that many times. We are building the sustainable finance framework and we have done five years now and we have the next five years to come. And it’s a massive job done in a short period of time. Thanks also to the very good cooperation with Ϸվ, Council and the Commission.

But, we still have a lot to do and I appreciate, especially the Commission, by looking forward, we need to make the EU GBS attractive – especially because it’s voluntary. But let’s also say what the next step is. We have reached a milestone, I agree with you, Commissioner, but we are also looking ahead for the next milestone. And I would like to remind also the Ϸվ that the one advice from the ECB from the start was: ‘Don’t make it voluntary, make it mandatory’. And with the reason that it becomes more transparent and everyone has to show what the investment is about. If it’s not just the financial return, it’s also people and planet. Everyone has to show what’s in what’s in the obligation.

So we need to move forward. And one opportunity is also their sustainability-linked bonds, which I think are an interesting instrument to finance transition. But then again, it’s also called the greenwashing machine. So we see new developments in the markets. Let’s make sure that this market develops so that transparency, trust and transition are at the heart and this also holds for the new instruments, because every product must be clear. There must be a market-wide principle: if you say that you’re green, you have to show that you’re green. That is important. And that is what we’re trying to do here. This is a milestone. I’m looking forward to the next.

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President. – The debate is closed. The vote will take place tomorrow, Thursday5October.

Written statements (Rule 171)

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Andżelika Anna Możdżanowska (ECR), na piśmie. – Aby rynek zielonych obligacji zaczął rzeczywiście na dużą skale finansować zieloną transformacje niezbędne jest wprowadzenie nowego czytelnego, prostego standardu obligacji z „twardym zakorzenieniem” w taksonomii. Konkurencja na rynku obligacji jest zdrowym czynnikiem, a próby jej ograniczania mogłyby ostatecznie doprowadzić do zmniejszenia środków na ekologiczne inwestycje. Dlatego tak ważne dla mnie było utrzymanie dobrowolności standardu i cieszę się, że podjęte próby uczynienia go de facto obligatoryjnym nie powiodły się. Nie mnóżmy dodatkowych kryteriów, nadmiernych wymogów wobec emitentów, nie dyskryminujmy także żadnych technologii ujętych w taksonomii. Niezwykle ważnym dla mnie i mojego kraju, Polski, było właśnie zagwarantowanie, że inwestycje m.in. w gaz i energię nuklearną ostatecznie nie będą dyskryminowane! Cieszę się też, że w wyniku negocjacji międzyinstytucjonalnych daliśmy emitentom większą elastyczność, umożliwiając alokowanie do 15% przychodów z emisji obligacji w innowacyjną działalność, która nie została jeszcze ujęta w taksonomii, oraz wydłużając z 5 do 7 lat okres „grandfatheringu”. Kiedy desperacko szukamy pieniędzy na zieloną transformację, nie możemy wybrzydzać i różnicować zielonych technologii. Jak rzadko kiedy hasło „pecunia non olet” wydaje się tu bardzo adekwatne. Nie rzucajmy zielonym inwestorom kłód pod nogi, ale ułatwiajmy im życie i realizowanie inwestycji.

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Alexandr Vondra (ECR), in writing. – You all know that I’m not a big fan of the concept of sustainable finances – they add yet more criteria to economic considerations, thereby undermining the value of price as relevant information. Therefore, one might expect that I would also be an implacable opponent of European green bonds. But this is not the case. I understand that if some bonds are to be labelled as green, they must do so according to the same rules throughout the EU. The report we are going to vote on today initially wanted a lot more than was needed, but during the negotiations the overambitious ideas of the rapporteur, Paul Tang, were corrected into a form that can be lived with. Personally, I am especially happy that European green bonds do not push nuclear energy into a corner and offer more relaxed grandfathering rules. I will therefore vote in favour of Tang’s report and hope that my leftist colleagues will do so.

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